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Time Policy

Post by sevensided » Thu Mar 30, 2017 10:46 am

So this is something that has come up rather regularly, and it impacts not just Vampire characters, but also players who only manage to get online during the early morning server times.

There are a sizable contingent of players that for some reason think that IC time = server time. This is..kind of crazy, for a number of reasons.
1. IC interactions that encapsulate a half hour of interactions between characters can quite literally take 2-3 hours to roleplay in real life time.
2. We have vampires. Playing that IC time = server time screws them out of a lot of interactions
3. People who only can play in the morning... if IC Time = Server time then the only time their characters are about are in..the mornings? That makes no sense.

There should be a written, firm policy that the time in set, permanent rooms is after sunset, before sunrise, always. Regardless of server time. If for no other reason than the simple fact that we have vampires as a faction. If people want to play a day scene at one of these locations, then they should make a new, temporary room, and tag it as such, instead of effectively blocking the room from access by almost a quarter of the game.

This is..fairly straight forward. Thank you for your time.
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Post by Scarecrow » Thu Mar 30, 2017 11:22 am

When in doubt, you can set your own time frame. Like labeling a room (Night) or (Mid-Afternoon) etc. However, generally speaking, the site runs on RL Portland time so if you go into a general room like a streets room, unless otherwise labeled, it's usually assumed they're on server time.
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Post by sevensided » Thu Mar 30, 2017 11:29 am

And that is crazy. It should be assumed PERMANENT rooms are night time. Server time is great for coordinating scenes, but shite when setting scenes, considering the disparity of player locations and the fact that Vampires get shut out from half the day in those rooms if we were to follow that nonsense.
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Post by Regentwill » Thu Mar 30, 2017 11:46 am

Agreed with 7s, Permanent rooms should always be assumed to be night.
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Post by Scarecrow » Thu Mar 30, 2017 11:48 am

I'm sorry, I don't agree with that. Otherwise what's the point of using a real setting rather than coming up with something? The majority of characters are human-ish. Meaning they can roam around in daylight hours. Vampires make up the minority. It's not that much of a hassle to make a night room. There's no reason to expect everyone to only be out at night.
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Post by ChrisF » Thu Mar 30, 2017 11:52 am

The staff will discuss thia but for now as a rule of thumb assume server time to start off in a scene unless the scene starts with a vamp in the room in which case assume night.
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Post by sevensided » Thu Mar 30, 2017 12:16 pm

Scarecrow wrote:I'm sorry, I don't agree with that. Otherwise what's the point of using a real setting rather than coming up with something? The majority of characters are human-ish. Meaning they can roam around in daylight hours. Vampires make up the minority. It's not that much of a hassle to make a night room. There's no reason to expect everyone to only be out at night.

And of course, that expectation isn't there. But the onus for the permanent rooms should be to make them always available to EVERYONE in the game, at all times. This is a heavy crossover game with vampires, and that's why those rooms exist. If people want a Daylight scene, make a room marking it as such.

So in your mind, a Vampire should be barred from a permanent room where their friend is playing, simply because the real world time happens to be 1pm? That's crazy.

Further, of those of us whose schedules veer towards early hours, the idea of using real time setting is already superfluous. The real setting is for places, not times.

If you as a player want to limit someone else from the scene you're involved in, make a new room. That's kind of how it works anyways.
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Post by Aetou » Thu Mar 30, 2017 12:39 pm

I'm not sure, 7s. What's the point of having rooms like coffee houses as permanent rooms if the only way they can be used actually as a coffee house is to make a separate room for it? At that point we may as well just get rid of some of the permanent rooms entirely as they lose what makes them distinct. I'm not sure that, for example, Changeling or Werewolf rooms need to always be available to Vampire players if daytime scenes make more sense. You could even argue it the other way around: many characters are asleep for half the night and making the permanent rooms be just 'after dark' excludes characters who have jobs, etc.

A balance of day and night rooms to cater to all venues seems like the best compromise.
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Post by Esquiva » Thu Mar 30, 2017 1:00 pm

If you play a vampire, you signed up for the vampires largest weakness. The sun. If the effort to make a night room to avoid that weakness is too much, there's 3-4 other venues you could try your hand at.
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Post by sevensided » Thu Mar 30, 2017 1:05 pm

Okay, so, the Revolucion coffee house has a very specific call out about after hours/night time operations, specifically for the supernatural types, so that's not the best example you could have used.

Further, aside from the faction specific rooms- the Tur, Elysium, Pittock, and Hedge - the permanent rooms are assumed to be public rooms, that anyone can walk into , at ANYTIME, to RP? If /that/ is not true, then yes, there is no reason to have permanent rooms. But if it is true, then by the very nature of having Vampires as a considerable portion of the character base, the permanent rooms MUST be night time. Otherwise, they are not public and accessible by everyone.
Then, if you want to /limit/ the room from Vampires, you make a new room marked [Day] and play in that. Just as you would make a new room if you wanted to limit it from anyone else for whatever reason.

If you play a vampire, you signed up for the vampires largest weakness. The sun. If the effort to make a night room to avoid that weakness is too much, there's 3-4 other venues you could try your hand at.


No. If you want to make a venue/chat game were players are limited on when they can actually play, then do so at your own leisure. The point is not to avoid weaknesses, but to facilitate roleplay.
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Post by Rini » Thu Mar 30, 2017 1:24 pm

As someone whose business was initially NOT a permanent room, and then had said business made into a permanent room due to player popularity... I disagree. However, there are other alternatives we could approach.

In previous iterations of WanWic, there was a set block of time that was considered night, as opposed to going by server time. Perhaps we could return to that model? In those days, about 16 hours of the day was considered "nighttime" to accommodate Vampire players These times could be set based on peak player traffic, and people who wanted to set scenes exclusively as daytime could schedule accordingly.

Another option: the Vampire player who wants to come into the room could... just ask. Check in with someone in the room to see if the scene in progress is set during the day or at night, and if the people in the scene are amenable to making it a night scene. The vast majority of scenes are sufficiently flexible in their content where, with a bit of communication, the ongoing scene can shift to nighttime. Most players are pretty chill about that sort of thing and will be willing to work with you to include you, if you actually give them a chance to do so as opposed to just entering the room with a scene in progress and expecting people to accommodate you.
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Post by sevensided » Thu Mar 30, 2017 1:35 pm

Rini wrote: Another option: the Vampire player who wants to come into the room could... just ask. Check in with someone in the room to see if the scene in progress is set during the day or at night, and if the people in the scene are amenable to making it a night scene. The vast majority of scenes are sufficiently flexible in their content where, with a bit of communication, the ongoing scene can shift to nighttime. Most players are pretty chill about that sort of thing and will be willing to work with you to include you, if you actually give them a chance to do so as opposed to just entering the room with a scene in progress and expecting people to accommodate you.

As a vampire player, I do this. And five times now I have been blocked out of a /public/ room because the players were in daytime. The /better/ players might make that accommodation, but really, I am loathed to ask in the first place, because I know asking players to shift from a morning scene to an evening scene is jarring and immersion killing.


And really, is that much business handled in daylight hours that making day tagged temp rooms is that much of a hassle, as opposed to dealing with a schedule, or having vamp players beg people in public rooms to shift their scene setting?
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Post by Scarecrow » Thu Mar 30, 2017 1:40 pm

Now you're just being insulting labeling players, bub. Saying some are better than others. That's not cool.

But to redirect your own statement, is it that much of a hassle to label your own rooms night if you think it's not that much to label them day?

Esquiva has a point, you signed on to deal with the biggest weakness of all. This is just the way it works unless you're the first one in a room, or the other players are cool with it.
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Post by sevensided » Thu Mar 30, 2017 1:51 pm

Scarecrow wrote:Now you're just being insulting labeling players, bub. Saying some are better than others. That's not cool.

But to redirect your own statement, is it that much of a hassle to label your own rooms night if you think it's not that much to label them day?

Esquiva has a point, you signed on to deal with the biggest weakness of all. This is just the way it works unless you're the first one in a room, or the other players are cool with it.

Its only insulting if you would deny another player access to a public room.

Esquiva doesn't have a point. He is simply championing for limiting other player's ability to play at this point. And your redirect misses the point of having public rooms accessible to everyone who plays at anytime.
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Post by Scarecrow » Thu Mar 30, 2017 1:55 pm

No one is limiting your ability to play. What they're doing is acknowledging the limitations of the venue/ game line you chose to join. You can't expect people to be forced to accept you into their scene just because you feel the urge to role play if they've already established that it's a daytime scene. Yes, some people are gracious enough to allow you to enter, but they are by no means forced to do so.

So yes, I'm sorry, but it's not limiting or detrimental to you in any way to acknowledge that vampire has a major handicap and you should be pushed to make night time rooms. It's something people have done for years in various iterations of this game and on other chats.

If you wish to play in a night time room, and people have rejected your request for access to their currently engaged scene, fish for interest in the lobby and see if anyone wants some night time shenanigans rather than trying to move into already in progress scenes. And when they're done, maybe those people who originally denied you will join your night time room.
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